Monday, July 23, 2007

Does Nurse-to-Patient Ratio Legislation Help Patients?



Floyd has made substantial staffing cuts since January because of the accounting mistake announced at the end of last year. Nursing and all other departments except administration have been working with much fewer personnel and continue to struggle with working harder with less.

Even though the financials appear to be improving in the past 2 months, the Administration is talking about further cuts in order to reach this artificial goal of a certain FTE/adj. occ. bed.

This number cannot be calculated with any accuracy and there is no real standard to compare. We have seen this number change so often, no one can give a rational explanation of how it is calculated or what the standard is to compare with. These numbers continue to come from the same department that gave us our financial data for the past 3 years and we have seen the accuracy of that.

Further cuts are a mistake as patient care has already suffered.

Floyd has historically been the premier hospital in southern Indiana and with its heart center; we should be setting the standards and not always playing catch-up.

In an effort to improve patient care at hospitals many states are considering the implementation of nursing ratio laws. These laws would require specific nurse-to-patient ratios be maintained by hospitals at all times.

The specific ratios would differ by hospital departments but would be legislatively mandated. Nursing ratio legislation is currently being considered in the U.S. House, U.S. Senate, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and West Virginia, but so far only California has implemented nursing ratios.

It all began when California’s law was passed in 1999 under Governor Gray Davis. The implementation of ratios began January 1, 2004 and was considered a great success by California nursing groups. The implementation of planned increased standards (lower ratios), scheduled for 2005, was frozen until 2008 by Governor Schwarzenegger as an emergency action due to the predicted high costs to hospitals and severe nursing shortage, but several California courts, however, upheld the legislation and the tougher standards were enforced.

According to the Department of Health Services nursing ratios had an estimated cost of $442 million in 2004, and $652 million for 2005 once stricter standards were in place. The estimate for 2008 and beyond is $956 million annually. An estimated 5,000 additional nurses are required statewide to meet the guidelines; a difficult proposition in the midst of a nationwide nursing shortage.
The California Nurses Association (CNA) claims that ratios have been successful in creating a safer working environment in hospitals. They believe that creating a safer and more pleasant work environment for nurses will attract trained nurses who have left the profession to go back to work.

They also assert that nursing ratios are necessary to protect patient safety and help eliminate the dangers associated with patient overload. There is a strong link between improved nurse-to-patient staffing and lower rates of medical errors and patient deaths.

As with any legislation, it is only as good as the overall plan and implementation. Standards are necessary to help minimize errors and improve patient care, but it comes with a cost. Legislating standards without a plan to fund the additional cost will result in more hospitals failing financially.

Floyd should be the leader in this endeavor of creating workable standards that promote patient care and safety. The nurse to patient ratio in California is 6:1 on Med-Surg units.

Waiting until it is mandated once again puts us in a position of following rather than leading. Is this what we want?? It is what we are getting with the current mindset of our administration.

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34 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the workload is 6:1,I wouldn't mind working on med-surg. 12:1 isn't a safe workload. Tell Floyd that 12:1 isn't a good number. No wonder they can't keep nurses.

7/23/2007 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you suggesting that Floyd Memorial has the money to pay for additional nurses, but the board and management have decided not to do so for some reason?

What do you mean by: "These numbers continue to come from the same department that gave us our financial data for the past 3 years and we have seen the accuracy of that." Are you implying that the new CFO is either purposely providing misleading information or is incompetent to provide accurate financial analysis?

Should your readers conclude that staffing is at a dangerous level or not? If your criticism suggests that staffing is NOT adequate, shouldn't you stop admitting patients to the hospital, both for their own good and to protect yourself from malpractice lawsuits should a patient have a bad outcome that a smart lawyer could attribute to staffing shortages--using your own comments?

You like to throw out big, dirty bombs and then walk away without responsibility for what you say. Are staffing levels for your patients dangerous or not?

7/23/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doc, there's also a good deal of information out there suggesting that increased staff ratios do not necessarily result in better care. Morale and attitude have a lot to do with it, too. What are you doing to foster good attitudes and positive morale at FMH?

Staff at FMH will either rise to the occasion and put some elbow grease into their work or they will pout, quit, and run away. As an observer, it often looks to me like the only encouragement you give is to the quitters. Your current approach clearly isn’t working with administration. So, either, (1) You’re insane—doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome; or (2) You’re too proud and stubborn to admit that there may be a more productive approach. Either way, you’re contributing to the problem more than the solution, and sending yourself to an early grave in the process.

Do you have anything to say for this? I’m guessing you don’t…

And no, guys, I’m not “one of them.”

7/23/2007 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if anonymous 11:51 is a clinician or an administrator by profession? It seems to me that the ones making the cuts are always the pencil pushers who have no clue about caregiving nor do they really care. Floyd has an excess in administrators and is lacking of clinicians and other foot soldiers of health care. Fire some of the deadwood administrators who are paid much for little and put the money where the meat of health care is, the caregivers.

7/23/2007 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Morale and attitude do play a role, but there is a critical level of staffing needed.

With an administration and CEO who has repeatedly told employees "if you don't like it, find some place else to work", there is not much hope for change until we change the environment.

Patient care has suffered and yes a lawsuit might finally be the way to put an end to it.

7/23/2007 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at anonymous 8:20 talking about throwing out big dirty bombs.

HB is at least open enough that we all know who he is.

He has offered to meet with any of you personally and discuss the issues in person, but I would bet none of you have ever done so.

Staffing is at a dangerous level and patient care is suffering. It is a shame that $13 million dollars in errors hasn't cost the CEO his job yet.

I agree with the last poster; a lawsuit might expedite the process that needs to occur.

Calling "Lawguy" Are you out there?

7/23/2007 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher, you said: "It seems to me that the ones making the cuts are always the pencil pushers who have no clue about caregiving nor do they really care."

I have two reactions to that: First, how is it that you are such a mind-reader that you know that people in management don't "really care"? Big assumption on your part.

Secondly, regarding your comment that people making the decisions have "no clue" is an interesting one. Most people in managment worked their way up through the ranks and generally have a pretty good idea what the folks in the trenches do and the challenges they face. On the other hand, many of the complainers who criticize management decisions have NEVER served in a senior management position or, in most cases, in ANY supervisory capacity. And yet...they feel qualified to second guess decisions about which they have only limited information and NO experience in difficult decision-making.

7/23/2007 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Concerned Employee (AKA Chronic Whiner) makes a very serious charge: "Staffing is at a dangerous level and patient care is suffering."

If that is true, then Dr. Eichenberger has an absolute responsibility to move all his patients to another facility and to no longer put new patients in harm's way. Has this been done yet? Does he care more for his own convenience than he does for the safety of his patients? Or...could it just be that there is a bit of exaggeration going on here to make a point?

7/23/2007 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:17,

Your ignorance and assumptions continue to amaze me.

You assume just as much as any other commenter. Most administrators in hospitals have not worked their way up the trenches, but started in management. Occasionally a nurse or Physical Therapist may work their way up, but many times they lose sight of where they came from. Our VP lost her sight years ago

Have you heard of the "Peter principle"? Promoting to incompetence is something very common in management and I think $13 million dollars in errors speaks for itself

7/23/2007 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

doctors are sending patients elsewhere and when the new hospital opens, you will see a massive outflow unless something happens soon.

Why don't you ask Dr. E if he has sent some patients elsewhere.

I'll bet he has

7/23/2007 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: ANON 1:27

The statement: "Have you heard of the "Peter principle"? Promoting to incompetence is something very common in management" is a wonderful rationalization for why you are still where you are instead of having a more responsible job. The idea that others might have advanced because they worked harder, or smarter or extended their educations couldn't possibly enter into the equation, right?

7/23/2007 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:51 here again--I wasn't entirely disagreeing with the post, nor do I disagree with your statement, Watcher. I was just giving my two cents in the interest of objectivity and successful intra-organizational communications. There is a larger picture here than just numbers.

I'm not, by any means, saying that morale can fix everything, but the clinical depts can't control the numbers they're given to work with. HB may have the best intentions, but his approach is clearly not working. He actually seems to be moving in reverse as he pushes more and more of a wedge between himself and the “pencil pushers.” If administration wanted to listen, they'd have started by now.

Keeping people nervous and upset feeds the turnover rate and jeopardizes patient safety and satisfaction, which is what he claims to be trying to fix. He can point the finger all he wants but he does bear some responsibility as well, especially since he wants to be seen as a leader in the local healthcare community.

Lead by example, doc. Quit bitching all the time. It's time to adjust your "strategery."

7/23/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you call a $13 million dollar mistake.

Since you so readily defend this incompetent administration, what do you think it is.

We know the administration and CEO calls it a bonus, because they were paid thousands of dollars based on these numbers.

7/23/2007 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doctor E does lead by example and he isn't afraid to address the issues.

The goal for most of the remanining employees is not to work with this administration. That hope left years ago.

The goal is to replace this administration. That strategy is working and the tides are turning.

Just wait and see!

7/23/2007 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very insightful to say: "Keeping people nervous and upset feeds the turnover rate and jeopardizes patient safety and satisfaction, which is what he claims to be trying to fix."

Dr. Eichenberger seems willing to destroy the hospital in order to save it. If, by undermining him with employees and board members, Dr. E. gets his way and drives out the current CEO he will have created an impossible environment for whoever comes in next. Do you think that employees who have been encouraged to whine and moan about every thing they don't like will suddenly put their heads down and go back to work with just a change in CEO?

7/23/2007 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ruh-roh, it seems that 1:17/1:33 and 1:27 might know one another.

Someone call Dr. Phil.

Also, where do we get our info on where "most" managers/administrators in hospitals began their careers? I'd like to look it up.

7/23/2007 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would agree that this strategy is working.

The blog counter is nearing 90,000 and those readers talk to each other about the topics nearly every day. That is a lot of people getting information they would otherwise not have.

The administration reads it every day and some of us know for a fact that topics discussed has been the key reason for some policy changes and certain direction changes that have occured and would not have occured otherwise.

The skeptics can pretend this hasn't made an impact, but they are wrong.

7/23/2007 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who wants to bet Dr. E doesn't answer one question from any of these posts?

I've got five on it.

7/23/2007 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The administration reads it every day and some of us know for a fact that topics discussed has been the key reason for some policy changes and certain direction changes that have occured and would not have occured otherwise."

Can you provide us with some specific examples?

P.S...how do you know who is reading this blog every day?

7/23/2007 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where the heck does HB go every day now? He used to post responses on almost an hourly basis in the past. Now, he seems to disappear after posting his morning allegations. Could he be spending his days working as a docent at the new Creationism Museum?

7/23/2007 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:58, I'm not a skeptic. I'm just also not committed enough to one side or the other to let emotions cloud my perception.

Regarding the dissemination of information that would otherwise not be had: We've seen a number of times when info on the blog was not entirely reflective of reality. Not that it was intentionally misleading, but it is not uncommon that the info shared here is more inflammatory than it is factual or comprehensive. Dr. E is not known for his objectivity.

Regarding the number/frequency of readers--see again my comments about morale and the responsibility of a good leader. Sure, a lot of people might read the blog. Or HB might just sit at home at night, reloading the page over and over again. But that's not the point. The point is that if there ARE a lot of readers, then HB has that much more of a responsibility to give some constructive guidance rather than freaking us out and leaving us hanging, which he very often does.

The only strategy I can decipher from this mess is HB's own personal marketing strategy: name recognition.

7/23/2007 02:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop using the word docent.

I can't tell you where he is, but I know about 100 of his patients who can tell you where he's NOT...

7/23/2007 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it is easier to blame Dr. E and continue bashing him rather than addressing the real issues.

This post is on target. The nurse patient ratio should be standardized and if hospitals won't do it on their own, legislation will.

Patient care is at stake. Discuss the topic and qet off Dr. E.

The message is clear and anyone who has visited Floyd lately knows there is a staffing problem.

7/23/2007 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a perfect world, legislation could fix the problem. However, once again, how likely do you think it is that legislators understand enough about how things really work that they can find (and agree upon) an actual, workable solution? Fat chance.

It's more likely that they'll pick an arbitrary number out of the sky. From a business standpoint, this could end up causing unnecessary expenditure on the part of the hospitals (as well as tax-payers and healthcare consumers). High staff:patient ratio with low acuity is no problem, and hospitals should be able to manage their own budgets by cutting unnecessary staff on a shift-by-shift basis.

Legislating a solution means legislating an acuity-based ratio; not numbers. Now...who wants to call W and tell him?

7/23/2007 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger Iamhoosier said...

I am going to guess that a lot of HB's supporters are of a similar political persuasion. It's a hoot to see the call for government intervention.

7/23/2007 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just read all the posts and can't believe that some of you have any knowledge of hospital policy,staffing or anything to do with managing a hospital. I have worked the 12:1 ratio and can tell you that many of my co-workers work hard, sincerely care about their patients and the hospital, and some of you may be surprised at the number of employees that have a very long, dedicated tenure at Floyd. There are many of us who have been there 20, 25 and 30 years and work there because we have always had such pride in our work. The staffing ratio needs to be addressed. I know for a fact Dr.Dan wants the best for Floyd, the employees and his patients. So those of you who have no real understanding, I am amazed that you even have an opinion.

7/23/2007 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2:00.....

Looks like you won your five.

All of you carring Dr. Dan's banner, have you ever wondered why he throws all of these half truths out there, yet never responds to direct questioning?

My how many sheep are amongst us.

7/23/2007 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:17,
Are you kidding me? If the current administration cared the place wouldn't be in the shape it is now. Most of the folks on the current "management" team have little to no patient care experience and the ones that did sold their soul a long time ago. Give me a break.

7/23/2007 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watcher, you are an idiot. A blithering, babbling, know-nothing idiot.

7/23/2007 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you anonymous 6:04. I have too worked the ratio of 12:1. Its very hard work.It wouldn't be possible sometimes without my co-workers,who are the best. Alot of them have been there for many years and are the most caring people. Theses nurses work their tails off and deserve alot of credit.NO ONE knows how hard we work till you walk a mile in my shoes!!

7/23/2007 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the financials, I don't think HB was implying that the new CFO is purposely...the department has the same leadership, however.

7/23/2007 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few answers to some questions although I will not respond to some of the anonymous accusations until they are willing to give their identity.

I have sent some patients elsewhere at times. I never implied anything about the new CFO just stating facts about where the numbers come from.

Staffing ratios are a concern and I would like to see hospitals address them appropriately in the best interest of patient care without government intervention.

I just don't see it happening here or elsewhere.

7/24/2007 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Captain Blye I am an idiot. A blithering, babbling idiot at that. But I have worked at Floyd and know the folks there and see what has happpened to a once great small community hospital.

7/24/2007 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a travel nurse (ex-Floyd Employee) I have had 7 travel assignments now and I have NEVER seen med surg nurse pat rations more than 1:6, people cannot believe it when I tell them how it is a Floyd Memorial!!

8/18/2007 05:26:00 PM  

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