Who is the ACLU really fighting for?
Between the article in the Courier [Court hears arguments on sex offender policy] regarding the rights of sex offenders or the one on camera’s to help minimize crime [Cameras pondered to curtail criminals], I am constantly amazed at their stance on issues. I believe these are examples of where common sense gets superseded by legal scholars wanting to protect the rights of criminals.
They appear to be hypocritical when it comes to protecting rights of some while ignoring rights of others that don’t fall into their radical ideology. Some bloggers have said in the past, they believe in Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as there guidance in decisions and morality. These criminals are pursuing their happiness. Should we therefore allow them to continue? Is that what the ACLU has as their philosophy?
When are we going to stand up against the ACLU and affiliates for their radical stances against the majority of American's traditions and values?
The Christmas Season is approaching and I am sure the ACLU is salivating over the thought of upcoming lawsuits to propagate their agenda on this issue.
They appear to be hypocritical when it comes to protecting rights of some while ignoring rights of others that don’t fall into their radical ideology. Some bloggers have said in the past, they believe in Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as there guidance in decisions and morality. These criminals are pursuing their happiness. Should we therefore allow them to continue? Is that what the ACLU has as their philosophy?
When are we going to stand up against the ACLU and affiliates for their radical stances against the majority of American's traditions and values?
The Christmas Season is approaching and I am sure the ACLU is salivating over the thought of upcoming lawsuits to propagate their agenda on this issue.
posted by Anonymous at 6:20 AM
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(Yawn) although I will give credit to HB for using the phrase "propagate their agenda on this issue" to describe the ACLU.
Nope, no agenda of HB's to propagate, eh?
I do have an agenda.
I want a better communtiy, better society, and better world.
I think we all should critically think about issues of the heart as that is what drives what we do. We need to know how people define right and wrong, good and evil. Without understanding others, we cannot possibly make positive changes.
It has been said, that if you show me your calendar and your checkbook, I will show you where your heart lies.
How much more open and honest is that. What is your agenda?
My agenda is much the same as yours. We disagree only in that my agenda is purely secular.
My dues have lapsed and I need to send a check. Thanks for reminding me, HB.
Brandon: Not sure how long you've been receiving literature, but I can personally vouch for the fact that the ACLU has fought the policies of every administration (and ridiculed them accordingly in mailings) at least since Reagan, when I first got involved.
Healthblogger
HOW DARE YOU!!
I believe that I have been repectful in my few postings. I have believed you to be an intellegent, thoughtful person who did not jump to conclusions. Not any more.
How dare you! First you get my statements wrong and then you twist them. LLF is the guidence for my civic decisions. My personal and moral beliefs are defined by many things.
How dare you! Did I have to state that murderers, rapists, robbers, etc .....? Come on. Evidently you did not want to comment when you read I wrote. Why? Is it easier to try to make me look like a fool by misquoting? And out of context.
iamhoosier,
Didn't mean to come across disrespectful. Your exact quote was:
"My most basic belief as a US citizen is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. I attempt to make my civic decisions based upon that. I attempt to make my life decisions based upon my own personal values and beliefs."
The problem arises when we do not recognize basic fundamentals in right and wrong, good and evil. If left to each individual to decide on their own, we develop a society with no standard to judge. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for these individuals may be what is guiding them. What is right for one may not be for someone else.
Your quote was not meant as a personal attack, but rather why I believe there needs to be more to base decisions. Rationalization of behaviors like many use, should not be the accepted standard.
That "rationalization of behaviors" applies to the government as well, HB. They very often try to rationalize unconstitutional behavior in order to achieve some other goal.
It's interesting that you would advocate for the establishment of base standards and then argue against the ACLU, an organization that has sought to maintain base standards of constitutional rights, regardless of whether they agree with the right holder's beliefs or not, probably more vigorously and successfully than any other institution.
I did not think that I had to explain LLH. Not only is it for me but you also. My right to LLH should not infringe on your right to LLH nor yours on mine. And where I was writing that was in a posting about gay marriage. Taking my quote and applying it to sex offenders, etc. was clearly a foul in my opinion. Oh my, I did not just write IMO did I?
Sir, I have been married for 25 years, don't cheat on my wife, owe nobody, pay taxes, contribute to charity, and have never, ever hired a lawyer! (sorry Brandon).
It really gets under my skin when the "right" basically says the "left" have no morals. The funny thing is the way I lead my own personal life is probably more "moral" than many who SHOUT morality.
Perhaps I have calmed down a little. Have been re-reading some of these posts.
Right and wrong, good and evil. I believe that Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is good test to determine these. A murderer violates these rights of the murdered. Slavery violates ...
So yes, I have a basis for defining these values. I believe that is where laws come in. To protect LLH for all. I believe murder is wrong because of LLH not because it is in the 10 commandments. I am not an anarchist either. I just evidently don't write well enough to make my points clear.
To Iamhoosier,
I commend your committment. I too am working on 23 years of marriage, am debt free except for the house, pay taxes, contribute to charity, help in soup kitchen but I have hired attorneys for professional work.
I am curious about why these very admirable traits are so important to you. What is your foundation to which to base them. What is the purpose in your mind to continue to keep these. That's where my interest is.
As far as some of the other hypocrisy I see in the ACLU, look up there stances on the following topics.
ACLU vs. Minutemen on the border
ACLU support of polygamy
ACLU supported child pornography but then no matter how much one is offended by this and other forms of pornography imaginable, the ACLU say the government cannot take any action that could protect any citizen from unwanted exposure.
Ironically, this is the same ACLU which claims that offended persons must be forcefully protected by them in court from the dreaded public display of the Ten Commandments or Christmas.
ACLU against photo ID for voter registration
ACLU involvement on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a small Christian cross. It was only the cross that the ACLU filed suit over and not the Native American religious symbol.
ACLU’s legal war on the Boy Scout
The ACLU has used sophisticated technology to collect a wide variety of information about its members and donors in a fund-raising effort, but strongly opposes any governmental process that collects similar information because of privacy rights.
And from two newspapers:
“Daniel S. Lowman, vice president for analytical services at Grenzebach Glier & Associates, the data firm hired by the A.C.L.U., said the software the organization is using, Prospect Explorer, combs a broad range of publicly available data to compile a file with information like an individual's wealth, holdings in public corporations, other assets and philanthropic interests.”
“Hypocrisy is on show in a Manhattan courtroom today. The New York Civil Liberties Union will argue for the second day before Judge Richard Berman that the city's subway bag search policy is an "unjustifiable erosion of the privacy rights of the American public." Yet take a walk into the NYCLU's Manhattan headquarters - which it shares with other organizations - and you'll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search. One of the city's lawyers, Jay Kranis, pointed this out yesterday in court while cross-examining a witness. Either the NYCLU believes its headquarters are at greater risk of a terrorist threat than the city's subway system, or it believes ordinary New Yorkers don't deserve the same safety precautions that they do.”
Oh yea, I forgot. I too have never cheated on my wife.
The ACLU supports child pornography?
Perhaps you should re-read those commandments. I seem to recall one of them frowning on lying. And you, sir, are a liar.
HB
Glad you remembered that last part, you may have had to hire another lawyer!!
My "admirable traits" are based just like everyone else. From my life experiences including, but not limited to, my parents, my formal education, my less formal education sitting around playing euchre, and yes even church. Actually I was one of the few who read their Sunday School lessons way back when.
Of course, I just listed the traits that I am pretty proud of. I do have traits that I am not at all proud of.
Still, it is me. For me. And generally works for me. It does not have to be for you or anyone else. I may not agree with your religous beliefs. That is my personal side. My civic side tells me that you have every right to go church every day of the week and twice on Sunday. As long you don't force me to go with you. That is where LLH comes in. You can go and I don't have to. We have not infringed on each at all.
I was not defending the ACLU. I was defending myself. I do not believe that listing what you have(and I have not had time to read yet)is any more fair than a supporter of the ACLU just pointing to, say, some civil rights cases involving African Americans.
I think that you made a comment about life not being fair but we should try for being fairer. I like that. I use the fairness test alot.
Please forgive my previous outburst. While I feel correct, I was not as civil as I should have been.
In 2001 the ACLU challenged in federal court the Child Online Protection Act (COPA) of 1998.
In 2001 the ACLU argued that the law Vermont was trying to pass regarding child pornography was too braod and restricted free speech.
On April 16, 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography.
The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling the decision a triumph for "free speech." One spokesman declared the Child Pornography Protection Act "punishes the expression of ideas."
Ok, so the ACLU is all about our free speech. These go over the line for any progressive culture or nation with values. It is sad if you cannot admit that!
Thanks Brandon, but the point is that when you use laws like this and lack moral integrity, you end up promoting things that are extremely detrimental to society.
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